Thursday, April 11, 2013

Nobody learns in a disruptive classroom...

and that is why my student is no longer in District 150.

Study Quantifies Cost of Disruptive Students
A study from the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute has finally quantified the impact that disruptive students have on their classmates’ academic achievement. By looking at differences in grades on standardized test scores between districts that high suspension rates and low ones, the study was able to conclude that lowering the suspension rates by just 5% would translate to a 3.5% gain in the number of students proficient in reading and a full 5% in rates of proficiency on mathematics.

WPRI Research Director Mike Ford called the gains statistically significant and said that the study is only one of a number that shows what schools can achieve by removing disruptive elements from the classroom.

Ford stresses that all students – disruptive and not – have a right to a public education, yet because of the nature of a traditional classroom, those who interrupt the teacher by misbehavior make learning a zero-sum game. When they continue to disrupt class, no one learns.

The study not only shows the impact the misbehaving students can have, it also proposes a solution to the problem.
The study, The Impact of Disruptive Students in Wisconsin School Districts, recommends that chronically disruptive students be removed from classrooms and enrolled in a statewide virtual school created specifically for them. The virtual school could be hosted by a district or districts willing to enroll pupils via the state’s open-enrollment program. Students enrolled in such a school could be provided with both a computer and an Internet connection. They would continue to have the opportunity to learn, but would no longer be a detriment to the education of their classmates.
In addition to setting up an online school as an alternative for those who don’t perform well in traditional classrooms, the authors also recommend that Wisconsin invest in so-called “character education” — lessons in values such as respect for fellow students and teachers, self-sufficiency, responsibility, honesty, fairness and empathy.
In practice, applying this lesson to the problem of disruptive students might be as simple as automatically enrolling students deemed chronically disruptive in a statewide virtual school created specifically for disruptive students.

Specifically, school districts would be given the option of assigning students to a statewide virtual school as an alternative to expulsion. The virtual school could be hosted by a school district (or districts) willing to enroll these pupils via the state open-enrollment program. Under that set-up, resident school districts would still be able to count these students in their enrollment, while sending a transfer payment to the district(s) housing the virtual school.
Source

Hat tip: Brooke!

123 comments:

Anonymous said...

You took your child out of the Quest program?

Anonymous said...

Teachers have been saying this for years, but what do we know?

Anonymous said...

I live this everyday as a teacher in 150.

Anonymous said...

Quest has lost several of their top students.

Anonymous said...

The number of steps we must take to remove a disruptive child from the classroom is mind boggling when you take into account the hours of instruction that are lost in the process.

Anonymous said...

A friend of ours has an 11 year old daughter at Wahington. Here are some of her stories/questions for her parents: What's masturbation...someone at school has been talking about suicide. same student brings in a bottle of pills. student cutting herself. And on and on. I can't tell you how glad we are that we're able to homeschool. God bless the families in 150 schools.

Anonymous said...

God forbid your kids learn empathy for someone that is obviously hurting. The parents can teach their children that not all people have the same feelings that we do. Most of your examples are ones that show me you want to shelter your kid from real life and have nothing at all to do with waanting a better education.

Anonymous said...

To the last anon: this behavior is happening in Kindergarten classrooms in D150. Being empathetic will not take back heard and seen misconduct. All decent families, poor and middle class are leaving Peoria schools for these very reasons. Do you have any idea how many times I have been told to F-off in one day, by children in elementary school? Its not tolerable, Lathan has tied allof our hands, except the parents of these kids.

Sharon Crews said...

I fear that no one in a position of leadership (superintendent, school board) will understand that the damage of allowing disruptive students to take charge will mean the ultimate end of a viable public education system. The voucher system will win and I hope no one believes that inner city kids (the ones whose education is being destroyed by the bad behavior of their peers) will get to go to a school of his/her choice outside the public school system.
By the way the questions about masturbation, drugs, etc., don't come from teachers--they come from kids watching TV--that goes for the children in private and Christian schools, also. Parents need to stop blaming schools for things that are happening in their own living rooms. And parents maybe you should be the first to answer the questions.

Anonymous said...

To think that there are no depressed people in other districts is naive and prolly why drugs are problems in all the outlying schools as well as in D150. Talking about suicide is not misbehavior, it is a depressed student. To misconstrue my comment as defending true misbehaving is not an accurate reflection of what I actually stated.

Anonymous said...

And the principal shuffle begins....two administrators heading back to the classroom. Congratulations to Randy Simmons, the new assistant principal at Peoria Notre Dame.

Anonymous said...

And the principal shuffle begins....two administrators heading back to the classroom. Congratulations to Randy Simmons, the new assistant principal at Peoria Notre Dame.

Anonymous said...

What administrators are going back down?

Anonymous said...

I don't consider a principal returning to the classroom to be "going back down"' Being a classroom teacher is a difficult but worthy profession as well!

Anonymous said...

Okay class let's begin, find your seat, voices off, and open up to your assignment (teacher begins). Fuck you! My momma says i don't have to white b+tches like you! You can't touch me or fail me, my daddy gonna get you! You can't teach me, i only have to listen to my black teachers (student responses to learning environment). Everyday across dist 150. Tell me how learning happens if students do this.

Sharon Crews said...

I believe this happens but I don't believe it happens in every classroom every day and I don't believe that all District 150 students behave this way. I don't object at all to teachers reporting these examples to us. But I don't like to hear blanket statements that seem to include all students. There needs to be a way to identify the worst offenders and to be relentless in asking for administrative relief from these students (for the sake of all the other students). And I do know that the system isn't set up to solve these problems--but somehow teachers need to find a way to stand together to demand solutions--and I know that in the current atmosphere of fear that isn't easy.

Anonymous said...

Teachers are not banding together. In fact the more you throw other teachers under the bus, the more you are rewarded. Those who are not doing this are quitting, being actively singled out and alienated, or trying to transfer hoping there is some integrity left in 150. But please Sharon, and i know you mean well, but this is not the 150 of your past experience. Heck, it's not even the district 150 of five years ago. I have been around Peoria schools for about 20 years and know teachers in several buildings, and they are reporting the same incidents. I don't know if this can be done, but maybe some of the referrals can actually show what is wrtten in them (with names redacted of course), that maybe people could actually get a dose of a teacher's daily reality. I know it probably wouldn't change our worst students or their families, but it might encouage the ones sitting on the fence to help, so the ones with children who are instilled to learn and behave will get a quality education. Or maybe they will be like emerge and get their kids out. THE PEORIA TEACHERS ARE READY AND WILLING TO EDUCATE--SHOW US THE STUDENTS, FAMILIES AND ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THOSE WHO WANT TO TEACH AND LEARN--AGAINST THOSE THAT WANT BABYSITTING SERVICES AND SOCIAL PROMOTION.

Anonymous said...

I am a former dist. 150 teacher. I once made $65,000 including benefits and TRS. I QUIT I was so disgusted with the lack of support from the office when kids would spit at me, cuss me out, throw pencils, erasers, and what ever else they wanted to at me. I tried and tried to work with these students on the south end but to no avail. I went to our union and was told " this is how it is like it or leave" (Bobby Darling) I left, packed up my things and said goodbye to the teachers who cared about me. Today I sub. for $75.00 dollars a day across the river in East Peoria, Washington and the Catholic schools. When I go into these rooms I get to teach. Did you read that correctly I get to teach. I am now allowed to do my job even as a sub. I am respected. We all know what happens to the subs. in 150. I cannot tell you how many times I was asked to participate in " save the sub. day! Yep give up your prep to go in the sub. room to save them from walking out. I have met more teachers that quit 150 since I started to sub then I ever thought I would. I will never ever step foot in another 150 classroom. EVER!
I am now living near poverty level but I am so blessed. I have a life now. I can teach as a sub and be respected while doing it. I can laugh with the kids I sub for. Students in district 83,50,51,52 and Washington high school are happy to see me when I walk into their rooms. Do you know how that feels? I have not felt this good about myself in years. You do the math on how long I taught at 150 with that type of salary. I am so perplexed on how there can be such a difference in student behavior by just going across the river to schools that face the same issues as 150 . There is high poverty at these schools, depressed kids and yes even disruptive kids. The difference is these kids are not allowed to disrupt the learning process they are taken out of the room and sent home until they get their act together and want to learn. They have ISAT scores that are not met but the teachers still get to teach, I would have never ever guessed the difference until I experienced it. The students in 150 run the classrooms I do not care what any teacher or principal says. I have experienced it and lived it and now I know first hand what the problem in 150 is. I am sure some of you will disagree with me but that is OK and your right. Until you get to the point I did and experience what I have in these other schools you will never understand that there are kids in Central Illinois that want to learn. I am sorry but the majority of the 150 students are not at school to learn. The teachers I have met that are now teaching in these schools I sub in that once taught at 150 all tell me " I got my life back when I left 150" I think I will write a book about this experience once I retire. 150 is in crisis mode and it is not going to get any better. What a sad thing to have to say but it is so true. I never ever thought that the differences between this side of the river and that side of river would be so drastically different. Until you experience it you too will never know.

Anonymous said...

Oh one more thing. I walked into a room as a sub the other day. I saw a former 150 student who was at the building where I taught. He was always in trouble and even cussed me out several times. When I saw his name on the class list I looked to see if that was in fact the same student I knew. I was shocked and almost left the room because it was him. I did not want to deal with his antics. You know what happened? I went over to him and said hello and he said hello and even called me the correct name. He then showed me his planner with his mom's signature on the days of the week where she signed off that he did his home work. He showed me some of his papers with B's and C's, I was then given a very healthy " I am sorry for the way I treated you". OMG I turned around and wiped the tears from my eyes. When class was over (by the way he participated in all of the class assignments) I asked him what happened? He looked at me and said " I left 150 I do not need to show off any more". Now this my Dear teachers could be put in a book!!!

Anonymous said...

By their very nature, kids lean towards being disruptive. Your kids do. My kids do. All kids do. (Consider your own childhood.) That said, kids are also adept at learning what will and what won't be tolerated in a given situation. Public school districts aren't plagued by disruptive students, they're plagued by a bruised and broken system that (often in the name of empathy and understanding) fails to understand that students - regardless of race, economic status, etc. - must be compelled to live up to high behavior (and academic) expectations.

For any school system to be successful, it must have the support of its community -- not simply the temporary support of the parents whose children happen to be attending at the time. In America, we try to educate EVERYBODY. Those who can't afford to send their children to private school have the option to send their children to public schools. Unfortunately, too many . . . far too many . . . of our public schools have taken brutal beatings and have, as well, been abandoned by the very people who could help them heal.

I wouldn't be too critical of District 150 . . . nor would I laud the very selective efforts of the parochial schools -- you know -- the schools supported by the churches -- the schools that should -- probably -- be taking in -- instead of casting out -- our city's most poverty-stricken, downtrodden, (and disruptive) students.

Our school district isn't a reflection of Grenita Lathan. It's not a reflection of the school board. It's not a reflection of the state of public schools in general. It's a reflection of our community . . . of you . . . of me. We are responsible for turning things around.

Adkins-Dutro

Anonymous said...

I applaud you Jeff for saying this and signing you name. I am sure as the new union president you are being watched very carefully by the administration. Our district is in fact a reflection of Grenita Lathan.
She refuses to stop intimidating principals who then go back to the schools and pass it along. Your public comment regarding her is in fact going to be well received by her. So that leaves me with one question whose side are you on? I wish I did not have to ask that question. You have now made it clear that you are going to be another Bobby
Darling who bows down to her every whim and lets the public know it.
When she came here she began to intimidate administrators right away and has created an environment where teachers are living in fear of their job everyday. You have a duty to protect our union and create an environment where us teachers can trust you. What are you going to do about the superintendent hiring teachers from her home town? She thinks there are no good teachers here in central Ill yet we have ISU and Bradley University right here. I hope you understand you have a very difficult job ahead of you and she is not our friend at all. We are in worse shape moral wise then we have ever been. It is part of your job to tell your union members what you plan on doing about that. Siding with the administration is going to only make you look good and the rest of us wondering what we are going to do now.

Jon said...

Great comment, Jeff. Please continue to strive for inclusiveness.

Anonymous said...

Anon: Jeff is not the new president, Scott Donahue is.......

former non-union edc8tr said...

A teacher doesn't know who their Union leader is but still complains about the District leader? I wonder if their lessons are as accurate? If a worker isn't doing their job and a boss is leaning on them, breathing down their neck - is that intimidation or attempting to hold one accountable? Jeff is right, it's all of our problems and those most in need have a suppoort system with many holes. Volunteer, give, mentor. Plenty to do.

Anonymous said...

As a D150 teacher who loves her job, I have no problem with anyone coming into my room to watch me teach. I enjoy the POSITIVE feedback because I actually TEACH what I write in my plans. As far as I'm concerned, D150 needs to get rid of the worthless teachers (there are PLENTY). As teachers, we are only as strong as our weakest links. Go to work, do your job with fidelity, be a team player, and KEEP YOUR JOB. Not hard, many teachers that have been let go would NEVER make it in the private sector. Can't go home every time your big toe hurts and can't continually BLAME kids, parents, administrators for being unable to TEACH, that is your own fault. Some teachers need to look in the mirror, if what I wrote earlier applies to YOU, then perhaps you should find a NEW profession where you are able to take full advantage of your employer. That is all.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon at 6:30:

Please sign your name and school so that teachers who might be struggling can request the opportunity to shadow you for a day to gain inspiration. If you are going to be a role model and/or judge, please sign your name and school.

Anonymous said...

Sorry you feel the need to shoot the messenger, but I was only being honest. Too many teachers in 150 thnk they are owed a job by virtue of tenure...wrong!

Anonymous said...

Jeff, are you seriously saying children run the schools? With a statement that kids are prone to be disruptive, including mine. I can't even believe that you think my children act that way. They are raised by a parent that sets expectations, consequences, and with full knowledge I will finish what they start. You see I'm the parent and it is my moral, civic and God given right to raise civil and decent human beings. NOT for me to make excuses that my child comes with disruptive tendencies and runs adults whose mission/vocation is to educate them. You see may tax dollars, along with others who don' t have children in District 150, have made an investment in my children and others. These adults did not invest money for children to waste their educational opportunities, a teacher's knowledge because they (children) can act any damn way they please. So, Jeff, what you are saying is my children and others, must conform to the disruptive students and lack of integrity of adminstrators, union members, principals, school board members (one whose own family member shot another student recently) and teachers who believe its okay for students to act out, lie, and lower the expectations of my children's education and standards of behavior. No wonder Peoria schools can't meet guidelines. The only people held accountable are the teachers who won't compromise their integrity and want children to learn/ be educated. Not just socially promote and have a Dr. Feelgood attitude. I wish I could use my tax dollars to pay for the education placement of my choice, but in ILLINOIS it doesn't work that way. The union will get paid whether it's new Peoria teachers, friends and family and sorority member teachers from North Carolina, or just status qou-no expectation teachers. So why defend those that I would like and demand my students get as teachers. Illinois is not a right to work state and unions get paid whether or not to defend teachers. And before there is too much protest--why don't union officals answer phone calls, watch classrooms and offer assistance when called for. I know for a fact this is not done. Angry that I now know the union supports administration, and my children will suffer at the hands of children who are not held or raised to respect adults and teachers.

Anonymous said...

Again, Jeff is NOT the union president. That would be Scott Donahue. Jeff is a teacher/parent/Peorian as well as a person of reason and integrity. Please do not spew anger towards him. Again, quit shooting the messenger. IF YOU DON"T LIKE THE WAY THE DISTRICT IS RUN then RUN for the BOE. NOBODY will run against any incumbent. WHY? They certainly aren't any better than anyone else.

Anonymous said...

anon at 6:30 if you are such a great teacher then why do have to be anonymous? Are you afraid you will held to expectations of helping teachers who struggle in the classroom with snotty, disrespectful and disruptive students? Why don't you tell us what you do when you are cussed at, had something thrown at you and spit on? Are you one of the lucky ones who does not have to deal with that because you are at a school where this does not happen? If so then please tell us where that school is so we can all transfer there.

Anonymous said...

Angry anon. First of all, no, I am not saying you are raising disruptive children. In fact, it seems that you fully understand the great deal of effort it takes (as a parent) to raise children who aren't going to act a fool at school. I know that with my own kids, if I don't stay on 'em, they'll end up doing something bad. I'm not saying I have "bad" children - I'm only saying that they will be bad if I let them run wild. (One night I left them alone upstairs and they used all of my wife's (very) expensive hair greasy to make a slippery skating rink on the hardwood floor in their bedroom. Every square inch of that floor was covered with grease. I was PISSED! :) )

Generally, my kids know they had better not act up (especially at school) OR ELSE. Because of lax rules in too many public schools, however, students (especially students who don't get solid guidance at home) act up because they're allowed to act up. Too many schools mistake leniency for love. I once heard a preacher say, "Discipline (in its perfect form) is love." Amen.

When you combine engaging, rigorous instruction with high behavioral and academic expectations (with additional scaffolding for students who need it) you get results.

So, my point is that no child is inherently BAD or pre-programmed to be eternally disruptive. However, they will act up if you let them. (Read Proverbs. :) It's all there.). I'm saying that too many schools allow the disruptive behavior. And I'm saying they shouldn't.

That said, if our public schools are allowing behaviors that are detrimental to the learning environment, it's our obligation as citizens (in my opinion) to take action. Don't bail. Row.

It's a tough challenge. Educate everyone. It's tough for the public schools because if a student loses this option, where does he / she go? Certainly, there's not a welcome wagon picking up kids and taking them to PCS or ND. Right?

I often get tired of public schools getting brutalized for trying to educate each and every child and private schools getting plaudits for being "under control" yet exclusive.

Adkins-Dutro

Anonymous said...

I've also found that you can disarm even the most hostile students . . . by . . . simply . . . loving them.

Adkins-Dutro

Anonymous said...

Listen to Jeff. He has vast knowledge and experience. As a matter of fact, he used to be a cruise director on a Ferris wheel.

Anonymous said...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. On Navy Pier, as a matter of fact. :). A-D

Sharon Crews said...

I need not say anything--Jeff has said so much. Of course, I am partial but with good reason. I have watched Jeff grow up as a young man in my own classroom to one of the best teachers District 150 has to offer (and a really great parent to five wonderful children).

I know how much Jeff's students love him--he has succeeded in disarming many. And he runs a classroom with few disruptive students. I don't even know how he does it. He is just one of those teachers who loves his job and does it well. Anyone who knows Jeff knows that he has never been silent when things are not going well in District 150. He knows how to disagree without being disagreeable (a bit cliche, I know).
When he says District 150 is not a reflection of Grenita Lathan, he is right. If the community did not want the schools to be run as they are, they wouldn't be. Go to a board meeting--there is no one there to speak up. As Jeff has implied, those who complain the most about District 150 abandoned it long ago--and it does take the interest of everyone, not just parents of children currently in school. Ultimately, the people of Peoria and West Peoria have the final say and they are saying nothing.
A few disgruntled or even interested people writing on blogs can't do the job--they have to be heard loudly at every board meeting--silence is not golden. And, yes, I understand that teachers cannot (and probably should not) play that role. People who cannot be threatened need to the spokespersons--and they need to run for school board.

Anonymous said...

So, where is every union elected offical speaking for the teachers. Where are the school representatives. They aren't at the board meetings--and i have been to a few. They don't help us at all. Again, i've asked for help and no one will even return a phone call or work on a plan. Don't tell me how great someone is they can't share it with others. His plan should be taught observed and duplicated for every teacher. It also depends on the school and support given, and age group. I know some students by high school wise up, they can see the end of free education and know they need a diploma. Others will fail and go GED--this is not apparent in middle school grade levels. By the way, i hear this term "love" and "understanding" used alot. How to you quantify and intangable, and can you really judge someone on these subjective emotions. Whose to say what love is--some see structure and follow through as love; tough love; consistancy; or dare i say--giving quality education and rigor, but i know many who just master a test, give candy and gum for false respect and pass them on to the next teacher. Is the last example then the test of love? Just wondering, so maybe all the teachers in 150 can have successful classes, and students wouldn't play the disruption game because everyone would be on the same page.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Someone is just downright disagreeable. Yes, there are major problems and a seemingly total lack of concern from the board. There is, however, no need to attack someone who has always supported us teachers and been willing to do so in front of the board and on blogs--using his name. Thank you, Jeff.

Sharon Crews said...

I can assure you that Jeff doesn't give out candy and gum to win kids over (I know teachers like that). And I can assure you he doesn't "give" away grades to make kids happy. I understand the bent toward cynicism but now you are speculating without the faintest desire to know the truth. I can also assure you that there is no teacher in the district who has done more to support teachers who are unfairly judged. Jeff made it a habit to defend teachers at Manual--not because he was a union leader, but just because he is a decent human being with a sense of fairness instilled in him by his parents and grandparents.

Anonymous said...

...and in other news - Board member Ross temporarily thwarted in her on-going attempt at free trips at taxpayer expense. Rick Cloyd must of thought......?

Anonymous said...

Who were the asst principal and principal who were supposed to go with Ms Ross? Certainly not the new Whs principal, Tom Blumer , he's bald.

Anonymous said...

Martha has spent THOUSANDS of taxpayer dollars attending "conferences" that she did NOT need to attend. She like to fly on the district's dime. They should be able to find a "hair show" somewhere in IL, since MOST people in this state have HAIR. She took Costic out to California last year for "training". REALLY.....Board member training is done in Springfield every June after the election. No reason to go to the National Conference other than to WASTE money this district does not have. Tighten the belt on travel expenses District 150 BOE.....NOW.

Anonymous said...

They ought to be trained to visit the schools and classrooms so they can see exactly what their policies are creating.

Anonymous said...

Board members and admin do visit, they're called "learning walks" the kids (at least high school aged ones) hate them more than anyone because its disruptive and they wnt to know why they're in there being "annoying" as one of the kids said last time.

I don't care if they come in, but it is a bit disruptive.

tls1995 said...

"When they continue to disrupt class, no one learns."

This is exactly the reason we had to move our daughter out of Glen Oak this year to a private school.

meanjarhead said...

As a parent who was in the halls everyday last year I firmly believe That I have earned the right to speak on this. First The kids do run the school. What happened to the days where parents questioned the child for the grades that the child EARNED. It made me sick to see parents march into the classroom and yell(Why you gib ma baby an f)(you know who you are I know you read this blog) Teachers don't give grades students earn them. Second in every classroom minus maybe two at Glen Oak last year there was 2 to 4 dumbshit disrespectful horrible brats with strings attached (strings being equally stupid parents) These kids need something done to them to get them under control. Last year I took 4 to 5 of them to the gym everyday first thing in the morning to run around until their meds (that the parents are too lazy to give their own children and the school must give them) to take effect, Or these kids got to spend the day in the ace room which robs them of a day of learning. Why weren't these parents dealing with these kids. every day these children were in the ace room and god help you if you suspend any of these future employee's of the month at the Burger King on University, If this was China about 80% of district 150 kids would be in the shoe factory. At least they forbid the smart kids from getting Dumbed down by the dumb kids by getting the dumb kids away from the smart kids. Third the accountability factor is gone nonexistent and is the root of every problem If a principal gets so sick of seeing a kid in her office everyday because the teacher is sick of her daily death threat from this kid and actually risks their job by suspending the little pre thug. The parent marches in the office down on Wisconsin and cries (why they be mean to ma baby?) and the prethug is back in school the next day. With the attitude of I don't have to listen to you my momma will get you fired. Fourth the entire Board of Miseducation has got to go and the new board needs to make Dr. Lathans life hell on earth. These people couldn't lead a pack of wild dogs to fresh meat. Why would these people give Lathan a pay raise, a bonus and contract extension when there is SOOOOOOOOOOO much proof that she is failing in her duties ??????????? I am in the business of selling this town and it is next to impossible with this school district it is a joke and before any of you spinless jerks who always say if you don't like it run. I fully intend on running against Wolfmeyer That old hag doesn't believe the schools have more than one room and using the restroom involves a tip outside to the outhouse.( plus the ripped up American flag on the front of her house pisses me off) So in conclusion The problems in district 150 are only the Parents, the kids, the school board and the superintendent. Easy fix.

Anonymous said...

You run against Wolfie people will probably beg to be your campaign manager. Board of MIseducation hahahaha ..so true

Anonymous said...

Mean jarhead have missed seeing you and your better half at Glen Oak school this year. I wish you were still walking the halls and entering classrooms just because you saw something before it got out of hand and had to be called. You were very proactive, and very appreciated. Or you had a group of students that you personally worked with--even though that wasn't part of your job description. Above and beyond. Hope your little girl is doing well in school too.

Anonymous said...

So, so true. I heard today, "This administration will not help you. You need to deal with things on your own." This would be fine if it was something like a student cheating or one student having a bad day. Instead, it is complete disrespect and total disregard for any of my instructions which included simple things like please sit down and be quiet. And the big request of please be quiet while walking in the halls. To think I could actually tell them to do anything. What was I thinking?? I wish "outsiders" could really understand the level of disrespect we are expected to just live with. "She told you no when you asked her to stop talking during your instruction? Yeah, she does that with everyone." "You ain't gonna tell me what to do" and out the door she goes. Why aren't we expecting more from these kids? I want them to learn not only the basics of education, but the basics in manners and humanity. Instead, they follow the lessons they've learned at home, "I don't care what that $&$$;@$ teacher says, if they say sumthin bout you or your family, kick the $@&t out of 'em!" Then, the students who have involved parents who have taught their kids how to behave are sitting quietly learning nothing while the teacher is dealing with at least 3 or 4 students who are doing whatever they feel like doing at the time which might include attacking another student, throwing a chair, peeing on the bathroom floor, or cursing the teacher while destroying another student's work. We can't put teacher on our résumé, but we sure could put referee.

Anonymous said...

I know Martha Ross is the reason why anything happens in the district (Ha Ha), but really a trip to Atlanta for a hair conference. Ms. Ross' travels should be investigated. I agree with Joe Dunlap...abuse of funds.

Come Jerry.....

Anonymous said...

Martha needs to take a trip to the schools in the district without Dr. Lathan. Get the REAL scoop on what is happening in our schools. Let's start with NO READING CURRICULUM. This "pacing guide" developed by none other than a North Carolinian on our payroll is a JOKE. Please explain WHY we do not have a reading curriculum but we have lots of interventions, most coming from the FABULOUS state of North Carolina, AGAIN. As John Stossel says, "give me a break!"

Anonymous said...

MJH: You should come visit us at Glen Oak. We miss you!

Anonymous said...

Union still not returning calls. Status quo. Administration can continue to blame teachers and fire at will. Don't you love forced union dues, they don't need us 10 year or longer tenured teachers. The new ones will work for 5 years without demanding their rights until tenure. But only if you kiss the right a$$, and pass the right (superintendant/principal) approved students. Don't give referrals or anger the parents because you don't see their "precious" through their rose-colored glasses. After 5 years you will be tenured and you will learn it will be your turn. You won't be believed, no one can help you, your set in your ways, and just a troublesome teacher who is beginning to hate kids and become mediocre in your work and teaching. In fact they might get you to work and dangle that proficient/excellent rating just give us more of you for about 5 more years. Then they will turn on you. After 10 years of teaching you are to quit teaching, because you've used all your youth and creatvity and now your burned out and no longer a useful public servant for teaching children. In fact it is your duty to quit teaching, go back to college for 2-4 years and pursue another type of employment beside education. Check out our democratic appointed Secretary of Education, Arnie Duncan. He has written this and given speeches on this career path for teachers. So I guess, as an educator I shouldn't be suprised to see administration and the progressive unions support this plan. Sorry teachers, you must give up your selfish ways. We don't want dedicated and knowledge that comes with experience--that only gets in the way of dumbing down the students and having younger teachers who will jump through our ever redundant hoops and social promotion policies.
I really believed the Union would save teachers from this tranny, and preserve some value in teaching. But the teacher unions support Sec. Of Education Arnie Duncan, so there it is. Our union is complicit with the new plan, and I now fear there is no hope for the teachers or students who want to learn and succeed.

Anonymous said...

For that to be true there would have to be a lot more than 10 tenured teachers let go this year.

Anonymous said...

The new PFT president has resigned ALREADY. God help us all if Bobby Darling is "selected" to replace him. I am more than furious and feel like this was a set-up...

Anonymous said...

To above anon please tell me you are joking? Set up?????? You do realize the man has health issues which is why he stepped down? Some of you who post on here are a joke.

Anonymous said...

The election was barely 3 weeks ago. Are the teachers of this district being lead to believe that these "health issues" just materialized? Really? Couldn't he have bowed out BEFORE the election? I am ready to call the IEA and START a new union, the PFT is a JOKE. Take our union dues and spend it on their friends and families....TRUE! Union representation is at its all time LOWEST. I don't need the PFT as it stands now.

Anonymous said...

Did you count all the immediate fired and those who resigned just to keep their love of teaching intact. Nothing like a little shoving and pushing by students to start your day--definately works faster than coffee. Just for starters you should see it by lunch.

Anonymous said...

You people need to realize that the Union is no longer a union. It is worthless. No one since Knapp has had a backbone to stand up and fight. Excuses and deals are how the union works now. There is not one union official you can trust. TEACHERS need to start a new union with real values.

Anonymous said...

From PeoriaChronicle:
Eye in the Sky"
April 29, 2013 at 3:03 pm
I don’t care about museum when its not safe for my children to play in their own yard for fear of being shot. Since they are spending a million here a million there to keep all the pet projects afloat. We are still having shots fired several times a day roaming groups fighting with bats and the newest has been carrying SWORDS. How long do you think folks will come to a cultural center and then worry if they will get out alive."

Swords now?


And Ken Hinton has left his post at Carver.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1506802582/Ken-Hinton-resigns-from-volunteer-Carver-Community-Center-post

Someone finally blames parents.... oh, and money (as they take away funding for early childhood)

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/no-rich-child-left-behind/?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=OP_NRC_20130429

Anonymous said...

The teachers in this district need to go on strike not for more money but for being treated like second class citizens. Oh and do not ask the union for help they are in bed with the administration. If teachers do not stand up for their poor working conditions and threats of job loss then no one will. The union is just taking our money and turning their heads away at the problems. Oh and tenure Ha ha . The is no longer in the equation you can now be fired for anything. One unsat evaluation and you are gone! no questions asked.Teacher need a no confidence vote on union leadership and then strike. Oh and Jeff's resignation because of his health is true and his health declined more when he got elected. He found out before taking office that this new job would kill him. He wised up before he got in over his head. Now who is going to do this job? Bobby will sit in the chair on Wisconsin ave. collect the check from the union while he is planning his retirement. The only answer is teaching taking charge.

Anonymous said...

Jeff is not the union president. Scott Donahue is the one who resigned that position. I agree teachers should strike for better working conditions. So glad I am out of #150 right now.

Anonymous said...

Anyone see the results of the latest survey?

Anonymous said...

Who is the dumb bunny that keeps writing the wrong name for PFT president? Typical. Want to complain but obviously didn't ever go vote.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure about the email we got about extending our contract. Does anybody know about that?

Anonymous said...

Of course the Lathanator wants to extend our shi**y contract. She seems to be more teflon than Hinton. What gives. This BOE is a group of pure GENIOUS.....lol. Student discipline CONTINUES to be the NUMBER 1 problem. These kids will call you a motherf---er and not think twice. The new thing is to pee on yourself.....seriously, it's a way to get out of class and get attention. Sometimes I wonder if I am working at a school or an animal shelter....not kidding folks. I have had animals that behaved BETTER than some of my students. At least they don't PEE on themselves...

Anonymous said...

Many times people who post anonymously find the freedom to show their true colors.

Anonymous said...

Scott Donahue knew BEFORE he ran for president that he had heart health history in his family. He knew that the job would be stressful. He shadowed Bobby for one year according to the paper and saw the poor shape this district is in and how it affected the union. He should of thought of that BEFORE he ran for president not after. The teachers need to wake up and smell the morning coffee the district has busted this union. We are paying dues for people who are not brave enough to stand up to this administration. Why would they want to stand up to the Lathanator they too can get fired after one unsat. evaluation. She no longer needs to have a reason to get rid of you. If you make too much money according to her standards, she will fire you for some lame excuse and hire a fresh out of North Carolina teacher to replace you. Just watch and see. If this union was doing their job this district would be afraid of them not the opposite.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jeff Dutro-Adkins needs to run for President then there would be no confusion.

Anonymous said...

Jeff would be a wonderful president if he didn't have so many kids. He has too much to lose. Knapp didn't give a _____ and that is why he was so good. He could speak his mind and not worry about consequences. The kids are horrible. My principal runs around like a little girl every time Renee Mckinnon is in the building. Every teacher in our building is unhappy. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone!

Anonymous said...

Student discipline is the biggest problem. I spend 90% of my time on discipline and am told indirectly it is because my lessons aren't engaging enough or I am not giving enough positive reinforcement. The kids don't care. There are no consequences. If I take them to my principal he tells them that he loves them. I do care about them and they like me but they do not care about learning no matter how excited I am about it! They fight and scream at each other and then scream at me when they don't get their way. I have bi polar kids, neglected kids, abused kids, hungry kids, tired kids, sad kids, and scared kids all in the same room with some kids who are "normal" and the goal is to have them ALL reading at grade level by the end of the year. I need a miracle, or a drink!

Anonymous said...

I am so sorry Jeff is having health problems. lol

Anonymous said...

Lynne Anderson-Loy would be a great president. There would definitely be no "being in bed with the administration." She is an excellent teacher and is borderline militant when it comes to union issues which is exactly what we need. Bobby would never let her talk or listen to her ideas because he was worried about her offending some one. Some one needs to be offended!

Anonymous said...

With the last few comments, I am now convinced fully that the blog has a lot of teachers that want a better union, but never go to any of the meetings. They want their voice to be heard, but not at the meetings. They want the Union leadership to read this blog and take it to heart.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know what was happening at Manual on Tuesday?

Anonymous said...

I am sure it was nothing good!

Sharon Crews said...

I am going out on a limb here--opening myself up for criticism. But the teachers who show so much disdain for students on this blog are doing great harm to the teaching profession. You can inform us about the problems (and I know some of the problems are as you say); however, I know that there is a better way of presenting the problems--by showing some kind of compassion, which is a necessary component of being a teacher.
By the way, that is exactly what makes Jeff Adkins-Dutro a great spokesman for teachers (and students). He never puts his own students down but he does get his message across about the problems.
Also, some teacher critics are paying attention to your writings and are judging all teachers by the way you express yourselves. I usually make a point of not calling attention to grammatical errors--and I won't be specific now. However, some of the "teacher" errors in these writings are not just careless errors. Please set higher standards for yourselves even when writing on a blog. The teaching profession needs all the help it can get in presenting teachers in a positive light. We have lost so much ground in the respect department.
Sorry for that rant--but I hate to watch teachers shooting themselves in the foot.

Teachingrocks said...

Spot on, Sharon!

Jon said...

Wow, I actually agree with Sharon

Anonymous said...

Your being a nitpick, Sharon. Their are bigger problems with the administration then some one's grammar. There definately out to get us.

Sharon Crews said...

I am assuming (and hoping) that you have purposely made a statement full of grammatical errors to make some point. I do believe that teachers should know how to use the English language.
Jon, good to hear from you.

Anonymous said...

Jon agrees with Sharon ? Someone pinch me ! This has to be a dream.

Anonymous said...

Dream or nightmare? Bizarro World, maybe? Looks like Spock is sporting a beard.

Anonymous said...

I wanted to clarify that when I said the kids were horrible I did not mean that they were horrible people. I lay awake at night worrying about what they are doing. Are they hungry, upset, or neglected? When they come to school they are needy and angry which every one knows leads to behavior issues. I would love to be able to focus on and meet their personal needs and then move on and teach but there is no time for that. If I am supposed to be doing math and am having a class meeting or talking to a student who needs extra attention while the others are working independently I am questioned and told I must stick to my schedule. I won't be back next year.

Anonymous said...

I vote for Lynne Anderson-Loy!!!

Anonymous said...

A different way to attack the discipline problem?

http://dailynightly.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18005192-principal-fires-security-guards-to-hire-art-teachers-and-transforms-elementary-school

Anonymous said...

How about a teacher be Union President. Someone who is not afraid to mix it up.
Experience not wanted or needed.
Training, meetings, paid trips, ---waste of time and union dues.
Common sense calls for new people in office. I could name two Jeff and Charlie that would fight to the end for teacher rights. If you do not know their last names, shame on you. Maybe Jeff for President and Charlie for grievance chairman or just reverse it. Either way, they would always put teachers first!!!!!!!
If not them, who?????

Teach 150 said...

I will second that nomination for Jeff and Charlie!

Anonymous said...

The Boe and Greneta need a challenge. Charlie and Jeff are both outspoken and will be good for the teachers. 3202 Wisconsin has had it too easy for too long.

On the front lines said...

I hope that the rank and file DO NOT approve a contract extension Sunday night. It was a piece of sh*t contract the FIRST time around, don't need to extend it, time to FINE TUNE it. Longer days, more professional development(big joke), new eval system...can you say.... BEND OVER? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me TWICE, shame on ME(teachers of D150).

Anonymous said...

Piece of sh*t contract? BEND OVER? Way to represent there, teach.

On the front lines said...

Hey Anon at 2:30, where's YOUR halo? Give me a break. Are you (whatever it is you do) 24/7? Well NEITHER are teachers. We do actually have lives outside D150. Please give me credit for sentence STRUCTURE. lol

Sharon Crews said...

However, when you acknowledge you are a teacher, you represent teachers (24/7).

Anonymous said...

That is so unfair. If the Teamsters were on here talking no one would say a word. Teachers are adults, you know.

Anonymous said...

our union has been busted by the BOE and the administration. If we agree to extend this contract then we are giving Bobby Darling a great good bye gift. Who remembers how he sneaked the last contract by us? He never told the members that there was going to be vote that day. He said the contract would be discussed. Roosevelt teachers and others lost the extra pay for a longer work day. The Union stated that they "did not want to open up the contract book". If we do not fight for better working conditions then the BOE and administration wins. This contract is not for us but for them. I wonder sometimes what Lathan would do if she were to sit in a classroom all day where she was to teach and instead was cussed at, threatened and then assaulted. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

I'm Anon at 2:30 and I don't need a halo. I don't claim to be (nor am I) a teacher. The public doesn't have the same expectations of a member of the Teamsters as they do a teacher. This shouldn't be a revelation - it comes with the job.

You're writing on a public forum/blog. ANYONE can see what you post, including your students. People who have public servant jobs (police, fire, politicians, etc.) have the same issues. It might not be "fair", but it is what it is and always has been that way.

Heed Sharon's advice.

Jon said...

This is getting scary. I agree with Sharon again.

Anonymous said...

Dude, I wrote the Teamsters comment but I'm not Anon at 230. I was just sticking up for teachers because I think they are getting a raw deal. No need to go ape !

Jon agreeing with Sharon, again ? This is really too much for me.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 2:30, MY students have filthier mouths. BTW, I teach elementary students, A**hole!

Anonymous said...

BTW Sharon, Aren't PARENTS a child's first teacher? That is why D150 is so out of control with discipline problems. The discipline problems(students) of the 90's are procreating. Imagine each of them having 4-5 kids. Now, you have a discipline problem that is 400% to 500% worse than 10-15 years ago. YET, we have our hands tied....because little D'johnnie deserves a public education regardless of how much classroom time he takes up with HIS issues. I say, get the paddle back into the hands of the principals.

Anonymous said...

Leading by example (A**hole)?

Who is little D'johnnie? Oh, a reference to the black students who have the discipline problems?

Some of you teachers who post here just keep digging yourselves a deeper hole.

Sharon Crews said...

I am disturbed by the discipline problems in District 150--I have been complaining about the problems since 2002, at least. I was still teaching then.
However, I do believe that it takes special people to teach inner city kids (even if District 150 had a handle on the discipline problems). Frankly, I believe some of you who are writing on this blog need to find jobs elsewhere. There are jobs in the suburbs, etc., and in private schools where the problems are not the same. No matter where you teach, if you do not like the children you are teaching, you are in the wrong school.
I know it isn't easy to teach in many District 150 schools; however, there are teachers who are doing an admirable job because they do care about their students. These teachers do deserve support they are not getting, but they still do their jobs without demeaning the kids or their parents. It's a gift that some have and some don't. You need to find your niche--wherever that may be.

Anonymous said...

Sharon, it is not the children that are the problem in D150. It is lack of parental support and lack of discipline follow through at the building level. Children will only push you as far as you will let them. I make it clear the first day of school that my classroom rules apply to everyone, everyday; break one and you made the choice for a consequence. That seems to be the problem with teachers who struggle with control, they let "little" things slide, then all of a sudden, it's an avalanche of misbehavior in their rooms. Students need to know that rules are what governs our society, break them at school and there are consequences, break them as a private citizen and you go to JAIL. Simple.

Sharon Crews said...

Everything you say is true. I was lucky. I started teaching when teachers were revered and supported. However, I started teaching at Roosevelt Jr. High in 1962--a school that was believed to be fraught with problems (and few wanted to teach there) because the students were primarily black and inner city. I fell in love with the school and the students.
That love affair with my students has paid off big time. And that doesn't mean that I didn't have rules and that I didn't expect them to follow the rules--in fact, that is what love is all about--discipline with compassion. I can't begin to tell you how many of those students (now in their 60s and those from my later years at Manual) encouraged and loved me through my recent bout with cancer. Teaching is a profession with great dividends--the human rewards (certainly not the monetary)if you give of yourself--kids will give back tenfold--even some of those who seem headed for jail and even some of those who do end up there.
Sorry, but I do my fair share of complaining about District 150 but my complaints never include my former students.

Anonymous said...

I hope all of you reject an extension on the contract if you are really tired of being bullied.

Anonymous said...

What fun to know they were taking vehicle and license plate numbers while union members inside. Now will they go to each school or have teachers register plate numbers to park at schools. Nice to know the intimidation continues.

Anonymous said...

Who was doing this I was there and I did not see anybody Very poor turnout by the teachers

Anonymous said...

Well, the teachers approved a two year contract extension. Once again proving that fear mongering is alive and well in D150. I agree with the previous post, I did not see anyone in the parking lot and was extremely disappointed at the VERY low turn out of teachers. I saw ONE person from my building there, besides me. I so much as hear ONE person complain and I will lose it!

Anonymous said...

I feel every time contracts are up, teachers come away with bigger losses each time. Would teachers really get a better contract this time?

Anonymous said...

When Madigan pushes through his pension reform and teaches have an additional 2% taken out of their salary(no negotiating, its automatic), that half percent being coughed up by the district leaves its teachers STILL receiving one and a half percent LESS than what they are making now, which is lower than many surrounding districts. In this case, a bird in the hand is not better. Should have taken the gamble teachers.

Anonymous said...

I will open myself up for criticism. I voted for the extension, I was on the fence but sitting in the meeting with a bunch of people that would not simply sit there and keep their mouths shut so I could hear the offer determined my vote. How would you be if we actually had to negotiatie? Based on some of the blatant rudeness displayed, I didn't want to take that gamble. One person said so we can strike. I already work more than one job, I can't afford to do that and there isn't support among the rank for it.

Discipline is a huge issue. I'm the document queen and that's helped slightly but in my years in the district, I've been sexually harassed, threatened, called lots if names I care not to repeat, and just seen the general level of disregard and disrespect increase. Most are with students in the hall and not my kids but there is an attitude of entitlement and it would be nice to actually have support from central admin, which we don't.

Anonymous said...

#1, Grow up. If you didn't like what people were saying....MOVE to another spot. #2, you don't cut off your nose to spite your face(retaliating because you didn't like the "rude" people). #3, in two years, you will be making less money than you are making now, so you will need to get a third job. 20 years in the district and the behaviors have gone down hill every year (and they weren't that good 20 years ago).

Sharon Crews said...

You would have to have a crystal ball to decide whether or not the extension was a good idea. However, I do not understand why so few teachers show up for a vote--that sends a very clear message to the board and administration to do as they please, etc.
And, no, I don't understand rude behavior from educated adults--adults who expect children not to be rude.

Anonymous said...

All I heard at school today was, these union people and the school administrators are going to do as they please, so why go...

teacher said...

We have to fix the union. The monthly meetings are a waste of time, there is no sense of fight, and most teachers appear to care less.
It is embarrassing to me that only 150 showed up last night. This extension is just what NC wanted. Bobby looks beat up and Lana is absolutely NO LEADER!!!!!
Time for someone to step up. Please!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:29 if you think you can do a better job then go to the union meeting this Tuesday and have someone nominate you for President. You will then be on the ballot for the May 28th election.Problem solved. Or maybe we can go back to the Scott Schiffling days.

Anonymous said...

Remember, we pay for representation and our president makes $20000 on top of teaching salary.

Anonymous said...

If anyone thinks that they can run the union better than the elected people, then run for yourself. Yes, the union, has many issues to deal with, but most of the issues that are dealt with everyday are teachers complaining about petty issues. Yes, the behavior problems are outlandish, but come one most of the teachers that need the uniuon help, caused the problems themselves.

Anonymous said...

Even if the teacher CAUSED her own behavior problems, she is STILL paying $900 a year in Union dues and has a RIGHT to be represented. The current exec board, save ONE person, is out for themselves and YOU KNOW IT...

Anonymous said...

Let's all pay into an organization that protects the worst of us, making us all look bad?

Anonymous said...

District 150 HIRED "the worst of us" idiot. Don't blame other teachers...

Anonymous said...

Yea, and District 150 is looking to FIRE the worst of the idiots.

Anonymous said...

It's so irritating to see people describe the contract extension as only a 1/2 % increase. If you have less than 15 years of experience, then each year you automatically get a 3.25% increase (before the 1/2 % increase) due to your step raise. Increase your formal education and you get automatic raises, too. Meanwhile, inflation has been running about 2% on average the last several years.

I'm not arguing whether those raises are fair or not - but it's clearly an annual increase of more than 1/2 %. Do you think most of the working people in Peoria get a 3.25% automatic raise? Do you think seniors on Social Security who pay real estate taxes see a 3.25% increase in their checks? Don't worry, next year it will "only" be a 3.75% increase for most teachers, before dropping back to 3.25% again.

Anonymous said...

D150 teachers have had it "put" to them without so much as a WHIMPER from our union representatives(themselves with their hands in the PFT til). Hard freezes, soft freezes, no raises, bargained agreements taken away...when does it end? It ends with Jeff D-A for PFT president. Get out and VOTE.